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Excellent article!

But I want to push back on something. Especially in a blog called “southern urbanism” that seems to have nothing good to say about the south beyond it gives cheap housing for New Yorkers to move to.

1) interaction with people of other races and classes tends to decrease trust and opinion of those groups. I know the opposite was thought to us all growing up, but that’s because we lived in price segregated communities where everyone was like us. We could believe the propaganda because there was no evidence against it.

When I moved to the city and was around underclass dysfunction. When I got my first job as a teenager and was around “the working class”. Man…those people are terrible.

If the lynchpin of your idea is that we need housing policy to mix the groups, it’s not going to work. Everyone up and down the class ladder wants to interact with people like themselves. Isolating by price is natural and healthy.

All you can do is build a lot so prices come down for each social class. So that upper middle class people who can’t buy luxury condos that don’t exist have to try to gentrify a bad neighborhood and hold off on having kids until it’s “turned” and they feel safe sending then to the local school. With “safe” being determined by when enough of the old residents are priced out.

2) problems in lower class neighborhoods can only be fixed directly. Not by flooding upper class neighborhoods with hoodlums. You need sound policing and better order in schools. Blue states seem unable to provide these things. Red states do better. I think this is likely structural.

3) southern states have done the most pro housing thing in the world, universal school vouchers.

NYC spends $40k per kid per year on schools where your kid would get beat up. Naturally, upper middle class people defend the few zip codes where they can get a “free” education for their children where they don’t get best up. Tying education to property ownership makes “upzoning” a complete non starter.

Red states severed the link between schooling and property, which makes it easier to build property because it doesn’t affect your kids schooling.

4) there was a theory that blue states severed people moving to red states would turn them blue.

But the data doesn’t show that. People moving to red states are as much political refugees as economic ones, and they are increasingly higher income.

They move to cities because that’s where the jobs are, but they generally settle in the suburbs in giant SFH HOA planned communities to raise their large families.

I’m a Covid refugee that moved to Florida once they passed school vouchers.

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